well, ya could say what ya want about health care but its saving lives…
billfro1 says... on 24-07-2010
It is disheartening that people don’t fully examine the underlying issues associated with our hearth care system. Normally, in a competitive, for-profit system, the supplier of a good or service has to cater to its customers in order to stay in business. When oligopolies are present, as seen in health care, incentives for companies to serve their clients diminish. Oligopolies usually arise out of misaligned government incentives via legislation. We are barking up the wrong tree on this issue.
littletopper2 says... on 24-07-2010
In 2011, the value of your health care plan, will be included as income on your taxes. Yes America, you will be taxed on your health care plan! Sec. HR3590.
All in favor…..please self deport.
GOPofHawaii says... on 24-07-2010
If only the government’s goal was to provide affordable health care to Americans I would vote for this bill. However, that is not the case. The Feds now can force people to buy health insurance, albeit crappy insurance compared to what you could previously buy with your hard earned dollars. The Feds want people to buy their gov’t prescribed insurance, and if anyone has anything other than what they offer they will tax them. This isn’t reform, it is takeover.
1978CamaroRedneck says... on 24-07-2010
OBAMA IS A CROOK
southernborn1860 says... on 24-07-2010
Simple ways to lower healthcare costs:
1) tort reform
2)ban drug companies from advertising their products.( let doctors decide what the person needs not a 30 second ad on Network TV)
3)have hospitials charge the person directly then the insurance reimburse the costs.
badang1962 says... on 24-07-2010
National healthcare would be a good idea were it that we could trust the crooks in Washington.When the lobbyists,the ama ,the fda and overlapping committees
begin their dance it’s only going to be more costly,less effective and way
more corrupt.What we needed was litigation limits,prescription drug reform
including an end to these drug company-doctor payolas and a separation of
hospital and doctor- financial ownership.This bill wasn’t thought out.
Typical of our government.
cgoff87 says... on 24-07-2010
@atmdusty The bill does not anywhere state that healthcare will be mandatory. If you would care to prove me wrong, I am going to send you a link to the ACTUAL text within the bill. The government cannot force you to pay for anything you don’t have to, this stuff that you hear about it being bad is just FOX news and the Conservative party making rumors and spreading this propaganda as if it was the real text, but with no proof. To anyone with doubts, go to the Whitehouse website, or google myths.
biskitlee says... on 24-07-2010
Where does this guy produce this show from? His basement? Isnt Young Turks a song by Rod Stewart? This guy is to the left of Fidel Castro. Found this post by accident…hope I never find it again…
juiposa says... on 24-07-2010
We don’t have this problem in Canada!
11sleepy26 says... on 24-07-2010
aahhhh, health care legislation, good times. I remember why dems droped the public option: so they could get some republican support. Because, you know, if all republicans had voted no on the bill, it would have never passed!!!!….. fucktards….
atmdusty says... on 24-07-2010
@myHome109
That is why if Americans want real health care or benefits that work, the Federal government especially congress must lose their benefits which most of them do not deserve thinking of congress.
Other points that should be made for politicians, one cannot enter office with some money and leave rich. The politicians have salaries but most gain much more money from other endeavors that usually conflict with serving the people.
How are they going to fix Health when they are broken, too?
atmdusty says... on 24-07-2010
@cgoff87
Bill states that Health insurance will be mandatory like car insurance. Plus this bill will not create competition as everyone will be required to have insurance and allow the insurance companies to charge close to anything they can fit through the loop holes.
I will agree that the concept of the bill is good but the only people who benefit from this bill are the insurance companies.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it (Adrian Rogers)
thesonicYES says... on 24-07-2010
@getyoasshome Yes, because that’s not the governments job! at all!
valeegirlee says... on 24-07-2010
i <3 canada
geganobo says... on 24-07-2010
lol… add to travel to turkey
getyoasshome says... on 24-07-2010
now they all want social security #s and birth certificates……beecause they cant believe that a black person is the pres…thats basically it. even if barack gave every citizen 1 million dollars they would find a problem.
getyoasshome says... on 24-07-2010
exactly!!!! nobody was marching and talking shit till after 911…they all thought he was a real cowboy and had a real farm…it was all a prop.
Taketheride23 says... on 24-07-2010
@cgoff87 The reconciliation bill says that, but doesn’t the IRS take money out of peoples accounts or jail them for not paying taxes? How can they pay for everything in the bill it if they don’t get people to do so in some way? The government will force people by taking away your income which is compensation for your labor, and is your personal property. The bill is trying to bully the individual to submit to someone else making decisions about your own body. To me that sucks
cgoff87 says... on 24-07-2010
@getyoasshome Whats even more funny is how when Bush was fucking it up, nobody said he was doing wrong.
cgoff87 says... on 24-07-2010
@Taketheride23 There is nothing in the bill that says you have to get or pay for health insurance. It is simply a option for those who aren’t covered, and yes it will bring competition which is good because it will drive down premiums, but possibly raise them in higher private plans. The overall concept of the bill is good, because as it works right now, big corporations run healthcare and pay the hospitals and choose selectively who to cover. Basically its one big bandage like he said..
teambenjamin1 says... on 24-07-2010
why not make it illegal for insurance companies to be traded on wall street?
axelsteel05 says... on 24-07-2010
@ZigZagZack420
Chocolate Jesus? Really? You don’t think that’s pointing out his race in a derogatory manner? What if I was trying to prove a point and called you whitey?
LULU8575 says... on 24-07-2010
boriinggggggggggggggggggggggg..
Taketheride23 says... on 24-07-2010
Be careful what you wish for, it might come true. Do we want someone to tell us we have to get health insurance? Does the government ever drive down costs or create more competition? More community involvement in health education would be a good start. The evil part of this bill wants you to believe that people will be hurt. It is very easy to play to human emotion cause we all have them. Its somewhat more difficult when we realize it is our responsibility to take care of those around us.
well, ya could say what ya want about health care but its saving lives…
It is disheartening that people don’t fully examine the underlying issues associated with our hearth care system. Normally, in a competitive, for-profit system, the supplier of a good or service has to cater to its customers in order to stay in business. When oligopolies are present, as seen in health care, incentives for companies to serve their clients diminish. Oligopolies usually arise out of misaligned government incentives via legislation. We are barking up the wrong tree on this issue.
In 2011, the value of your health care plan, will be included as income on your taxes. Yes America, you will be taxed on your health care plan! Sec. HR3590.
All in favor…..please self deport.
If only the government’s goal was to provide affordable health care to Americans I would vote for this bill. However, that is not the case. The Feds now can force people to buy health insurance, albeit crappy insurance compared to what you could previously buy with your hard earned dollars. The Feds want people to buy their gov’t prescribed insurance, and if anyone has anything other than what they offer they will tax them. This isn’t reform, it is takeover.
OBAMA IS A CROOK
Simple ways to lower healthcare costs:
1) tort reform
2)ban drug companies from advertising their products.( let doctors decide what the person needs not a 30 second ad on Network TV)
3)have hospitials charge the person directly then the insurance reimburse the costs.
National healthcare would be a good idea were it that we could trust the crooks in Washington.When the lobbyists,the ama ,the fda and overlapping committees
begin their dance it’s only going to be more costly,less effective and way
more corrupt.What we needed was litigation limits,prescription drug reform
including an end to these drug company-doctor payolas and a separation of
hospital and doctor- financial ownership.This bill wasn’t thought out.
Typical of our government.
@atmdusty The bill does not anywhere state that healthcare will be mandatory. If you would care to prove me wrong, I am going to send you a link to the ACTUAL text within the bill. The government cannot force you to pay for anything you don’t have to, this stuff that you hear about it being bad is just FOX news and the Conservative party making rumors and spreading this propaganda as if it was the real text, but with no proof. To anyone with doubts, go to the Whitehouse website, or google myths.
Where does this guy produce this show from? His basement? Isnt Young Turks a song by Rod Stewart? This guy is to the left of Fidel Castro. Found this post by accident…hope I never find it again…
We don’t have this problem in Canada!
aahhhh, health care legislation, good times. I remember why dems droped the public option: so they could get some republican support. Because, you know, if all republicans had voted no on the bill, it would have never passed!!!!….. fucktards….
@myHome109
That is why if Americans want real health care or benefits that work, the Federal government especially congress must lose their benefits which most of them do not deserve thinking of congress.
Other points that should be made for politicians, one cannot enter office with some money and leave rich. The politicians have salaries but most gain much more money from other endeavors that usually conflict with serving the people.
How are they going to fix Health when they are broken, too?
@cgoff87
Bill states that Health insurance will be mandatory like car insurance. Plus this bill will not create competition as everyone will be required to have insurance and allow the insurance companies to charge close to anything they can fit through the loop holes.
I will agree that the concept of the bill is good but the only people who benefit from this bill are the insurance companies.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it (Adrian Rogers)
@getyoasshome Yes, because that’s not the governments job! at all!
i <3 canada
lol… add to travel to turkey
now they all want social security #s and birth certificates……beecause they cant believe that a black person is the pres…thats basically it. even if barack gave every citizen 1 million dollars they would find a problem.
exactly!!!! nobody was marching and talking shit till after 911…they all thought he was a real cowboy and had a real farm…it was all a prop.
@cgoff87 The reconciliation bill says that, but doesn’t the IRS take money out of peoples accounts or jail them for not paying taxes? How can they pay for everything in the bill it if they don’t get people to do so in some way? The government will force people by taking away your income which is compensation for your labor, and is your personal property. The bill is trying to bully the individual to submit to someone else making decisions about your own body. To me that sucks
@getyoasshome Whats even more funny is how when Bush was fucking it up, nobody said he was doing wrong.
@Taketheride23 There is nothing in the bill that says you have to get or pay for health insurance. It is simply a option for those who aren’t covered, and yes it will bring competition which is good because it will drive down premiums, but possibly raise them in higher private plans. The overall concept of the bill is good, because as it works right now, big corporations run healthcare and pay the hospitals and choose selectively who to cover. Basically its one big bandage like he said..
why not make it illegal for insurance companies to be traded on wall street?
@ZigZagZack420
Chocolate Jesus? Really? You don’t think that’s pointing out his race in a derogatory manner? What if I was trying to prove a point and called you whitey?
boriinggggggggggggggggggggggg..
Be careful what you wish for, it might come true. Do we want someone to tell us we have to get health insurance? Does the government ever drive down costs or create more competition? More community involvement in health education would be a good start. The evil part of this bill wants you to believe that people will be hurt. It is very easy to play to human emotion cause we all have them. Its somewhat more difficult when we realize it is our responsibility to take care of those around us.